RIP, to one of the greatest of ALL TIME!
^^^^^ RIP TUPAC SHAKUR ^^^^^
RIP, to one of the greatest of ALL TIME!
i think it was an anniversary of his BDAY not his death lol
anyone read the article that some con in jail for life is saying hes the one that shot 2pac outside the recording studio. He was hired by some producer that Puffy was down with and he says puffy knew about it.
if its true i wonder what it will do to puffys image
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The rumors alone will probably improve it.
Eh. Later, QD.
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Then you have snoop (snoop doggystyle , murder was the case, come on), guru, eazy e, dre(even though anything after the chronic I don't think his lyrics were all that special), eminem(argue all you want slim shady and Marshall Mathews album were on another level), common, old NAS, KRS-ONe, outkast, there's just so many.
All those were mid 90s rappers. There's ridiculous amounts of others that weren't "mainstream" it's hard not to mention (kurtis blow, spice 1, grandmaster flash, dr. Octagon/kool Keith, big etc etc etc)
2pac was prob the first extremely successful mainstream rapper that appealed to white suburban kids which is why he made it big. IMO
OF course QD will disagree with all this
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Why? Because I'm more knowledgeable in this genre? Lolol. Later, QD.
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No cause you're a hater :p
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Lolol. Later, QD.
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I know its his bday. just sayin rip. Yea, there was a few people stating who the shooter was.. Its a damn shame tho! 90's was Deff the best. IMO. we all have one.. Since elemtentary thats what I was brought up on. Tupac was allways my fav of all time.
The end of the 90s is what brought this music form to it's knees. Later, QD.
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How could you forget To Short ?
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He was good. I think he makes top 30 easily. But of all time......that's tough.
Lyrics were very .....what's the word......passionate? But over the years there has been a lot of people up there with him.
I mean I really HATE DMX, but in his prime, he was very 2pacish IMO
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"rap" or whatever folks call it now a days, is Garbage!!
He's not dead i just saw him at Target buying a Biggie smalls album
Becareful with that word you know how QD is when it comes to using that word in an appropriate way lmao you gotta know the meaning to it haa
Back the topic he was one off the best!!!
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YOU'RE WRONG!!!
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True out of a long list of thousands of rappers he was one of the best
Out of a long list of thousands, probably. Out of a short list, not so sure.
Here's how I see it. When younger folks start talking about who the greatest is, they don't have the true, lengthy experience with hip hop/rap that was there. There isn't really anyone to compare 2Pac to. after his demise. Younger folks won't give the old school artists, the pioneers a chance because to them (younger people), that form of hip hop isn't appealing. What these folks don't know, though............ Later, QD.
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i agree the younger generation has nobody to compare him to . In my opinon To short blows 2pac out the water but the youger generation has no idea who To short is.
if they only new.
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RIP to tupac shakur also....... yesterday was also my bday. its ususally a day i work at the shop and play tupacs albums all day. not this year though, im now 30yrs old and i feel old, (no offense QD)..triple OG........HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....
i have a large amount of hip hop on my hard drive. probably one of the few true hip hop lovers of both old and new...and i must say a lot of people don't listen to some of todays artists because they aren't "inspiring" them or saying things to relate to their troubled past. i on the other hand just enjoy listening to the things these artists say, and how they make things they say mean multiple things. take lil wayne for example...... im sure 99.9% of the people who don't like him, either dont like him because of the "baby" kiss OR his mainstream radio music or just think he's damn weird......
listen to this song..... listen to his wordplay....(meaningless mixtape song on jay z's beat)..... and no im not saying he's the best, or even better then tupac, im just saying people just brush off todays music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e49ziHwplEk
Too Short was one of a kind, dude. I'm a little biased towards him with me being a fellow West Coast dude.
No offense taken.....youngin.' Lolol.
I don't know how old of hip hop you listen to, but believe this, it's a completely different feeling to have "grown up with the music." To be there when a Grandmaster Flash album came off the assembly line. To hear a track when rap was in it's infancy was a treat. We hadn't heard anything like that before. Scratching records, drum beats and multiple artists taking turns within a verse were all brand new. Rap was a fun music in a fun way. But it was also a great tool for inner city residents to get their message out of inner city living. A lot of people say that they listen to old rap and when I ask them who, they say Notorious B.I.G. or Puffy or Dr. Dre (Chronic). I'm thinking that's as far back as you're going? That's nothing.
There's a reason for that, dude, lolol. Compared to the greats of this genre, Lil Wayne is just garbage. I can't knock you or other people that like him because this is stuff that you guys grew up on. This is what was new and out in your time of influence. Later, QD.
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Btw since lil wayne is garbage..... tell me 5 rappers better. And list their 5 greatest lyrical songs for me to listen to if I don't have them on my hdd already..... I'm VERY interested to know what u guys see as lyrical
How far back is "much further?" So you think my angle is because my "childhood idol" doesn't rap anymore? You think that's why I don't listen? Lolol.
No need to get offended, dude. But I am used to it. But it's not necessary. Who am I to tell you what is good? Who am I to tell you who you need to be listening to?
I'll give you 5 tracks:
Grandmaster Flash - Sign of the Times - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2RXrlfLXlg
Divine Sounds - What People Do For Money - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Dqm3WNB4b4
Grandmaster Caz - MC Delight - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuEWM...eature=related
Eric B and Rakin - Follow the Leader - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95gP3m-uBHA
Run DMC - Hard Times - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO2cakSiqDQ
There are so many more, it's hard to just list 5. Later, QD.
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To say lil wayne is garbage and then list those first 3 songs, says a lot. I listened to every song you posted. Do the same......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyg5caYzYSI ........start listening at 2:45 min
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTBmAfYzJPc ......... start listening at 2:00 min
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTd1Xe6Uz-4 .......... start listening at 2:00 again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FK-y33xBmo ......... listen to the whole song....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49bhGgKdduk ......... whole song.... who else rips beyonce's beat
No sir I go much much further back. Biggie was in my time..... I mean way back. People quit listening to delivery and lyrics based solely because their childhood "idle" isn't rapping anymore...... I'll put cassidy and fabolous against almost any 2 freestyle rappers u choose. From any timeframe......
Nah homie I don't get offended. I just know that 99.9% of people favorite rappers of all time lack the consistant lyrical delivery, that's the only reason I say 5 of their best tracks, because frankly they most likely don't have 5. I'm not here to say anybody is better then anyone else, but simply to say that most people don't truly listen to the rappers of today. Ie: jadakiss, cassidy, fabolous, wayne, t.I., etc..... not solja boy and lil flip and what not
you wont win this with QD.
Problem i have with QDs argument is if you are really a music connoisseur then you can evolve with the music. Its foolish to think that just because you experienced a genres inception means thats the only form of that music you can listen to. None of the other genres are the same. Rock and Roll isnt elvis anymore, same with techno, pop, rap, etc.
Im 30, so when i grew up, ill say the FIRST real rap album i heard that i can remember was Dr. Dre The Chronic. I think i was like 12-13. Remember that shit was NOT on the radio. AN yes any 12-13 year old WHITE parents were not letting their kids buy Dr Dre lol.
From dre i got into snoop, i remember i owned all eyez on me as a freshman in HS, tha doggpound, i remember buying Skee-lo, spice 1, KRS-one etc. That was while i lived in GERMANY. When i moved to OKC i remember purchasing ATLIENS from Outkast and thats when i started getting into the other coast.
I found Dj premier/gang starr, biggie, etc as a sophmore in high school.
I hated lil wayne till i heard his mixtapes, and i agree his word play is something unique.
Also rap is something you shouldnt take so seriously. I have no problems sitting here saying i listen to a TON of garbage on hot 107.9 lol Sometimes its just a good beat or whatever.
dont have to be so elitist all the time.
And personally, grand master flash sucks, so does sugar hill gang. but they started it, doesnt meani have to listen to it :P
great thing about music, its all OPINION
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Me and QD have a good understanding now, this is by no shape or form a argument im trying to win or lose with him. like you said its opinion, but i feel like some of the "older" guys. no offense, brush off new hip hop like i stated before. but its no biggie.....
and u sir are correct, no one in history has ever made mixtapes like lil wayne. there is no opinion needed about that, that is a FACT. if you don't believe that..... you havent listened to them!
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You shot yourself on this one, Mike. You're putting words on the screen that didn't come from my keyboard. You're responding to my posts as you want to see it and not as how I meant it.
1: "if you are really a music connoisseur then you can evolve with the music" - how do you know I don't listen to today's music? Just because I promote old school doesn't mean I don't listen to anything else. I was a HUGE Master P/No Limit person in the late 90's/early 2000's. Had over 120 of his CDs. Bought them all. I like some of TI's material. There are a few that I like that are from this decade. I just prefer OS because it appeals to me better.
2: "Its foolish to think that just because you experienced a genres inception means thats the only form of that music you can listen to." - Where did you pull that one from? I never said or implied that. I brought up the inception angle because it's truly different being at the beginning of something rather than playing catch up with history lessons. Like Elvis and myself. I had to take history lessons to get into his music. I can't imagine what it was like to hear him as a brand new artist.
So like I said, you're just reaching for something, dude. Instead of reaching for thin air, reach for these fucking video games and get them out of my house, lolol.
My first run-in with parents hearing what I was listening to my buddy and I playing ping pong in his garage and listening to "Fuck the Police" and his mom walked out to give us lunch, lolol. She wasn't happy at all.
I don't take rap seriously. I simply made a comment and it gets taken out of context and everyone wants to argue. If you call "droppin' knowledge" being an elitist, then I guess I am. Just because I'm sharing past experience and music from the old days of hip hop doesn't mean I'm being above anyone. Not sure why you think I'm being "elitist." I'm just sharing what I know.
This validates the point I was making earlier. Younger folks don't like the old stuff because it was so simple back then. And I never said you had to listen to it. And I don't like Sugar Hill Gang, either. And if you brought up SHG because of that one track, that wasn't them.
BINGO!!!!! That's the main point over all the other drivel. Later, QD.
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I still have a pair of cross color pants. Those where the shit back then.
QD i wasnt necessearily calling YOU an elitist. Some of my statements were directed at you, but not all.
I just know if anyone says they like anything post 1990 i expect a post from you saying its garbage
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I got you, sir. It is rare, but there are certain tracks I like from beyond the greatest era of rap (lolol). Not too many groups or solo artisits, but tracks they may have done. Back in the day (and quite a few up into the mid 90's), you could find artists that would have an album out that you could listen to the whole thing. Especially in the 1980's.QD i wasnt necessearily calling YOU an elitist. Some of my statements were directed at you, but not all.
I just know if anyone says they like anything post 1990 i expect a post from you saying its garbage
There are tracks I do like, though sprinkled in and out. Later, QD.
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Damn.
"The game needs change - I'm tha muthafuckin cashier." - Lyric from a Lil Wayne Song
Deep. Real deep.
Sounds like it. Changed my mind on the dude.
Lolol. Later, QD.
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Smartazz, I love u qd. That wasn't even a wayne quote, that was from drake. Drake is good as well, but is no wayne. I back up my opinions with reasons. Not just I don't like him or do like him. I like consistency, wayne has that.
Btw qd, post 1990 is the era of great rap. Not pre 1990.
Lolol. I'll leave the determination of whether this Drake character is good or not to you, as, to be honest, I've not listened to anything he has done after the snippet I heard a while back. I hated it.
No. I was right, lolol. Well, we both are right in a way. Rap was still decent up until around the mid to late 90's. The 1980's will always be the golden age of hip hop. The greatest time for hip hop. A decade of invention for hip hop. The 1990's ushered in a more mainstream take on this style of music. Rap started getting more airplay on the radio outside of New York and Los Angeles. This enabled more people outside of urban areas to catch on to it. More styles were coming out. The closing of the 20th Century was also the first tumor of hip hop.
This tumor was NOT benign.
The 2000's era of rap was met with a little bit of resistance to the decline of the good stuff, but not enough to really keep it from falling off. The tumor grew. The cancer spread. Look it, man. It's evident all around. Several years ago, hip hop was everywhere. Movies, commercials, TV and other sorts of media all had some form of hip hop intermingled inside. I remember several months ago I thought about this and realized that you hardly ever hear any hip hop in commercials or other forms of entertainment. It's fallen rapidly.
And who were the stars of rap at that time? Lil Wayne. Feminem. It is evident that these two killed rap music.
(I'm just kidding about the above...but it does make some sort of sense).
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post 1990, even you can't make yourself believe otherwise. I can tell by your response......dont make me list them....lol
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